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Response to a post I made in reply to someone's fic pointing out some of the flaws and giveing sugetsions for correcting them:
You are my new friend! ^^
Yay for constructive crit. *waves flags from
underneath covers*
and to make that even better? The fic was basicly a dub fic. Yeay for dub watching fans not falling to the sterotype!
You are my new friend! ^^
Yay for constructive crit. *waves flags from
underneath covers*
and to make that even better? The fic was basicly a dub fic. Yeay for dub watching fans not falling to the sterotype!
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I'm not saying this just because I watch the dub, mind, but just that in general I dislike this kind of well-meaning but backhanded compliment. Some anime viewers are restricted by time and budget, not because they're "lazy" or "stupid". How many whiny purists does the fandom have? How many people who use fangirl Japanese?
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You'd better beleive if I found an anal purist who was happy to get con crit I'd have a similar post. And most the fangirljapanese using people are in either the purist or dubbies group. The segment of the population that falls into 'Fanthing with a brain' is very small and does include people who do watch the dub, and who are purists (just not the anal ones).
You also have the fact that the GX fandom is new and the dub section is even more so (it's what, at most, 2 months old?) and already there's hords of people who have seen 2 eps of the dub and have taken their preexisting garbage and done a search replace for names and reposted it as a GX fic. You have the people who are screaming at people for not agreeing with them that Alexis and Jaden are in Twu Wuv when it's pretty damned clear in the series Juudai (and Jaden) has less of a romatic drive then YYuugi and Asuka (and Alexis) just has a small crush that she's rapidly getting over as she's finding out that being in love with Juudai is like being in love with a brick wall that duels. (or Kaiba. *deadpan*)
This is not about thinking dubbies are a subhuman section of the fandom. This is not about saying that dubbies are stupid or lazy. This is saying 'Thank god there's someone who's comeing from a group of people who are already being stupid in the fandom who's actualy looking to improve herself rather then just fishing for blind praise'
Cause ya know what? As horrible as it sounds, 90% of the dubbies who make their way into these groups and write fanfic and post it? Fall into the sterotype that those who came before them built upon their actions. It's just another symptom of a diseased culture that they're living in. Yes, not everyone fits into the catagory, but the majority of them do. It's why they're the majority and the others are the exception to the rules.
I know a small number of intelegent fanpeople who only have access to the dub or only want access to the dub for various reasons. They are excpetions to the sterotype as well.
... and I think I'm just repeatign myself alot now. Hope some of that made sence.
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Um...sort of? :)
Are you basically saying that watching the dub itself has nothing to do with the stupidity in the fandom, that instead, it's the misinformation and horniness permeating the fandom, and since most of the Western fandom was introduced to YGO via the dub, coincidentally most of the fanfiction (of any quality) is dub-based, meaning that most of the bad fan fiction is dub-based?
*shrug* If that's the case, I still don't see it as a justification for pointing out that a good *dubfic* was made, rather than just a good *YGO* fic, period, because they would be pretty much the same thing given that most of the fandom is made up mostly of dubbies.
On the other hand, YGO horror stories hint to me that the worst fanbrats usually don't follow one version, they just throw the continuities in a blender and hit the "wank" button, not paying attention to dialogue, character, and continuity.
I'm glad you don't seem to believe in the "dubbie strawman", though once I felt a bit mortified when you said that I proved to you that all dubbies weren't "12-year old OMFG twits" (it was for an LJ meme, I think).
Maybe I did see things that weren't there in your post, because I've seen too many anime fans interpret the suckiness and ignorance of large fandoms as a rallying cry for elitism**, but I still wonder what the point is of noting a good "YGO dubfic" rather than a good "YGO fic", when most YGO fics are dubfics (due to demograhics and not inherent inferiority) and suck (due to stupidity).
**And by elitism I mean attacking people for things that have nothing to do with their intelligence. Eltism based on intelligence and conduct is fine
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Very true. ^^
However, at this stage, the GX fandom is diffrent because it's in that transition of 'The dub has just hit' so I think there is special significance on it being a dub based fic [expecialy withthe... quality... of the GX dub. ><] that doesn't have a fantwit fanauthor.
It wasn't even so much as that I went 'Dude, good fic!' as I went 'Dude, the author was happy to get concit!' (cause the fic itself still needs alot of work, as it's kinda a half fic at this point)
And if I recall right, you were the first person who watched the dub who wasn't a twit. ^^; Kinda sad, really, that it's a big deal... I honesly think at this point I only know of... 3? people who are dub-only for various reaons that are good fan things, out of about 20-30 people. It's very easy to get into the 'All dubbies are idoits' mind set in this fandom cause at least 80% of the fandom are idoits, and the dub ones are the loudest, it seems. @_@
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But I just don't get why it would be that way. I was getting at the idea that it's not the dub's fault itself; it didn't cause fanbrats to grow out of the ground like sunflowers, so there's no reason to say, "Hey, a good dubfic!" over "Hey, a good YGO fic of any kind!" Good fic is good fic, and we should be welcome to get it.
The problem is that some fanbrats "I hate it/it's bad, so its fans must be bad, too", but more and more I'm believing that one's tastes aren't corellated with one's level of intelligence, commitment or dignity, so if I were in your shoes (being interested in GX, hating the GX dub), I'd like to think I wouldn't be surprised that a person could do good things with the material I hated.
Not to mention that to fanficcers, the quality of the source material is often unimportant anyway. Why else would they write long, emotional dramas based on kids' cartoons if they didn't listen to their elders?
Kinda sad, really, that it's a big deal... I honesly think at this point I only know of... 3? people who are dub-only for various reaons that are good fan things, out of about 20-30 people. It's very easy to get into the 'All dubbies are idoits' mind set in this fandom cause at least 80% of the fandom are idoits, and the dub ones are the loudest, it seems. @_@
I just have no idea why that would be. The only explanations are the distasteful, and untrue ones that fanbrats would use. Yu-Gi-Oh! fandom is stupid because it's big, not because it started with a badly-edited dub. The more people, the more idiots. Yes, the dub was what was televised and reached the largest audience, but that says nothing about dub-watchers themselves, or what dubs "mean" in terms of one's level of interest (i.e. that "true fan" bull).
Not to mention that most fans I've met don't restrict themselves to one continuity, so I think most of the divisions between "dubbie" and "subbie" and "manga-reader" are pretty artificial, which in turn means the fandom is.
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Largest audiance = largest amounts of idoits.
ALso, since it's the easiest of the versions of the show to access, you get alot of 'I've only seen one episode, but I know EVERYTHING! about the show!' sorts.
The problem is that some fanbrats "I hate it/it's bad, so its fans must be bad, too", but more and more I'm believing that one's tastes aren't corellated with one's level of intelligence, commitment or dignity, so if I were in your shoes (being interested in GX, hating the GX dub), I'd like to think I wouldn't be surprised that a person could do good things with the material I hated.
Again, not the material, twas the fact that she was very happy to get concrit. ^^
Not to mention that most fans I've met don't restrict themselves to one continuity, so I think most of the divisions between "dubbie" and "subbie" and "manga-reader" are pretty artificial, which in turn means the fandom is.
The way I tend to catogoize is based on what names they use. If someone primarily uses the dub names, I assume they're most familar with the dub.
Why else would they write long, emotional dramas based on kids' cartoons if they didn't listen to their elders?
*blinks* Huh?
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Er...I was going off on the whole idea that just because something is bad, doesn't mean that fanworks based off it has to be. Basically, most good fanfic derived from material with a younger target audience (like YGO and YGO: GX) involves "elevating" it somehow, so the fact that it's bad to begin with is a moot point. People write what they want to write.