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[frannyan]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=1&u=/ap/20050722/ap_on_re_us/transit_security

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WTF.

Logic would dictate that if the subways are being targeted that you do what the airline does and use METAL DETECTORS and XRAY. NOT havint people rifle through people's bags!

How about you put those police offiers on the street where they're supose to be and stomp harassing people?

Asswhipes.

Nessasary my ASS.

I doubt they even know what to LOOK for. Unless they have one hell of a bomb squad running around..

THis gives such a wonderful opening to courption... Planting evidence, theft, harassment of minorities, ect.

It doesn't make anyone safe. It actualy puts more people at risk, but gives the illuion that the goverment is doing something to help.

They're just helping themselves to a bit more of your freedoms.

"He who would give up some freedom for security deserves neither freedom nor security."

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[sylvar.livejournal.com]

OK, Fran, you're a dear friend, but you're full of shit.

If you tried to scan everyone with a metal detector or X-rays before letting them onto the subway, it would take forever to use the subways.

So you have to pick people and do something with them. Having inconvenienced someone by picking them, you may as well do something portable (search their bag) rather than something that can only be performed at a station using expensive equipment (X-ray).

Besides, your suggestion wouldn't have done anything to stop the sarin attacks in Tokyo, where the sarin was in plastic containers that could be easily pierced with something that could get through a metal detector (a house key, for example).

By the way, this is what people mean when they say "police officers should be on the street", preventing crimes, rather than poking around in library records (did you hear the USA Patriot Act is probably going to be extended for ten years? Not another Vietnam, my ass).

The reason to do these searches in various locations, and at odd times, was given by Sun-Tzu in The Art of War: "The spot where we intend to fight must not be made known; for then the enemy will have to prepare against a possible attack at several different points."

The same principle applies to the attackers: by making us unsure of where they'll attack, they force us to defend in depth. Not just at ports, not just at subways.

The alternative, of course, is to start treating non-Americans a whole lot better. If we were treating people with love and charity, Muslims would see that we are doing as God intends us to do. If we were spending a quarter of our current military budget on fresh-water supply systems, debt forgiveness, and other things to directly help the world's most desperately poor people, fundamentalist Muslims would probably applaud us for doing that.

"Abu Qatadah related that the Prophet said: If anyone would like Allah to save him from the hardships of the Day of Resurrection, he should give more time to his debtor who is short of money, or remit his debt altogether." -- http://www.soundvision.com/Info/poor/quranhadith.asp (http://www.soundvision.com/Info/poor/quranhadith.asp)

"Allah will not give mercy to anyone, except those who give mercy to other creatures." (Abdullah b. Amr: Abu Daud & Tirmidhi) -- http://snell.mystarband.net/philosophy/islam/islam_quran.htm (http://snell.mystarband.net/philosophy/islam/islam_quran.htm)

"The perfect Muslim is not a perfect Muslim, who eats till he is full and leaves his neighbors hungry." (Ibn Abbas: Baihaqi) -- ibid.

[akuryounoseiki.livejournal.com]

I highly doubt using metal detectors in a subway would be very useful as, uh, you know. The subway itself is made of metal. And other stuff. It would be too much of a hassle to bring in X-Rays. Much more convenient to simply rifle through peoples bags.

[franthenut.livejournal.com]

And a quick bag seach wouldn't catch that sort of bomb either.

I honesrly think it would take just as long as it would to randomly seach bags. I'm mostly thinking of the walk through detector that take about 5 seconds and could be build intp the place where you swipe your metro card and a simple convayer x-ray used by most airports. The lines there more pretty quick last I was there.

Regardless if my [uninformed and rantish] solution is good or not, it would he a hell of alot better then what they're doing now, which is just a surface solution to make people feel something is being done. And one that can potentialy cause a hell of a lot of problems. You get one bad apple down there start planting things in bags...

Bag searches are either very invasive or very useless. With the 18 million pouches bookbags and pocketbooks have now a days you could side something very easily. Hell, you could have a hollow book in plastic wrap hideing anything. ["I'm taking it back to the store, if you take teh wrap off I won't beable to get a refund..."]



"By the way, this is what people mean when they say "police officers should be on the street", preventing crimes, rather than poking around in library records (did you hear the USA Patriot Act is probably going to be extended for ten years? Not another Vietnam, my ass)."

Ug. >< Wonderful. More witch hunting, horray! >

[franthenut.livejournal.com]

An airplan is also made o mental... I ment before you get in it.

So if it's convenient, it's okay to violate personal property and privacy?

[akuryounoseiki.livejournal.com]

You're still, certainly, violating someones privacy when you run their stuff through an X-Ray as well.

Economically speaking, it's just much more simpler to go through their bags.